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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 14:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Ishkur
I am sick of this whining.
You have nostalgia for the way things used to be? Are you prepared for the consequences?
There's a REASON why only 6k people would be on during the weekends.
None of it had anything to do with highways - lots of it had lots to do with a total abscence of S&SI marketing etc.
Cross-Empire highways are not needed anymore and do more harm than good.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Harliquin
Originally by: Morkt Drak
Cross-Empire highways are not needed anymore and do more harm than good.
I what way? Do you now have a bit of competition in your markets? aww shame.
Listen mate, if I have to put up with the thug bunnies banging on about how this game is soooooo based around PvP then hey economic PvP has to be allowed as well - and guess what the highways allow that by giving me quick access to the other markets I've scoped out. Not yulai, Pator et al but actual markets away from those black holes of profit.
If you don't like it I'll be forced to undercut you by another 10%
Feel free to do so. 
I dont sell anything for you to undercut so... bit of waste of effort really.  Does make me wonder who you think you have been undercutting though - probably yourself given the quotient inplications of this post of yours. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 22/04/2004 16:12:40
I know this is a wate of effort - but one has to try.
Harliquin
Without the cross-empire highways you would have less competition at tose remote sell spots, higher sales prices and more income.
Wnat to know why?
Because fewer people make the ffort to do the journey. Thus you compete only against the more localised traders. THis is what it was like before highways: those who put in the effort to transport goods from a to z got the reward in ISK. Now they compete against everybody else as there is no effort to go from A to B.
Introduction of the highways saw a massive collapse in prices almost overnight. This is great for the buyers, bad for the manufacturers, bad for the traders. To make the same isk profit you had to make more journeys to move more items. Less travel time became more travel time in terms of isk per jump.
The removal of cross-empire highway means removal of the link between, for example, caldari empire space to gallente empire space. it does not mean remove all the highways.
This post was bought to you by: Morkts knows the guy wont lsiten but not trying is tantamount to ignorance.
EDit: and btw, none of this is hypothetical. This is how the marketplace was before easy travel... just look at all the crying now at the addition of 3 or 4 jumps to see the attitude toward haivng to make a recogniseably relevant distance to sell or buy a product.
Either way - it bothers me not as, as stated, i dont sell stuff like that. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ishkur
What rubbish. *snip* IS boring.
Thats ok - if you wish to believe that the entire success of EVE is entirely down to the highways you are entitled to do so. We are all entitled to our opinions.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 17:05:00 -
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You know you can make a case without trying to make the other person out to be a "price gounger" or "ripper off of people" you know?
It really doesnt help your case by being so very very angry and antagonistic, both you and ishkur seem incapable of any rationality in this matter at all. In your case its pure vitriol and damnation an din his case gross overexageration and melodrama.
Really no need for it.
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The only thing highways have done is mean you as a trader have to make a tiney weeney bit of effort analysing what sells best where and exploiting that.
This is not true. Its not historically true at all. Sorry but it is proveably untrue... its also highly ironic but given the descent into flaming in this thread Im not interested.
As i stated elsewhere, those with access to the data are already studying these issues and will make changes based on that.
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Finally the 'undercut you by 10% quote' - my apolgies I was trying to be ironic in the thug bunnies 'i'm gonna pod you' kind of way, I must remenber to leave my IQ at home when I'm on these forums
Makes no sense even with that "explanation" - just more very obvious vitriol for little apparent reason. Congratualtions on further degenerating a discussion into a flamefest though.
/me shrugs
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 22/04/2004 17:10:47
Originally by: Ishkur
Originally by: Morkt Drak
Thats ok - if you wish to believe that the entire success of EVE is entirely down to the highways you are entitled to do so. We are all entitled to our opinions.
That's not what I said.
Yes it is.
You just did it again:
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Kill the highways, kill the game.
You are being highly and deliberately melodramatic with little reason or evidence to support it. You are quoting (poor) game reviews in carefully sectioned aspect to substantiate your claim that any changes to the highway system will "Kill the game".
Its melodrama and nothing but. "The sky will fall down". Not much point denying what you've written. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.22 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 22/04/2004 17:20:04
Originally by: Mamer
Well, since they won't ever be gone permanently, perhaps they could add a storyline about some hackers that break into jumpgate protocals and shut them down or disturbances that sometimes diable two connecting jumpgates or maybe a region of jumpgates gets really screwed up for a few hours, not totally disabling that you cant get around, just makes it alot harder and more jumps to get from one place to another.
Mamer,
Well ignoring the rabitiy of Ishkur and Harliquin, some of us dont want them gone anyway. We jjust want the RP and racial elements of the game to mean more by segregation of the empires by removal of the inter-empire routes OR other such means such as enforced tolls based on racial type etc (or corp standing to relevant faction).
Unfortuantely mamer the chance of having such discussion with the imminent collapse of global society and armageddon linked so intrisically to the highway system (sighs) it seems unlikely to ever be a concern at all... and the chance of openly discussing it is remoter than a gamespy review being accurate.
Edit - and with that i bid you adieu. Whilst i like discussion it seems the "other camp" is more interested in flaming and "end of the world" proclamations. Which, frankly, is rather dull. 
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